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Bishop_Gideon - 09:57am Jun 8, 2000 EDT
Ummm.. dang.. I can't think of anything interesting...

Down? Did DA finaly piss of Mur enough to take them down? Or did webx just crash... anyone know?

Bishop Gideon

Here's my proof...

From Merriam-Webster's Dictionary entry for "dragon":

a mythical animal usually represented as a monstrous winged and scaly serpent or saurian with a crested head and enormous claws

Now...where's your proof that they DO exist?

~Flesh

Well first off, "myth" doesn't mean fictional.. It means it's "profoundly true" to those who believe it, while being considered fictional to everyone else. See every single religion in existance for a good example of myths. Also, many truths were labeled as myths by non-believers, and took a very long time to prove otherwise.

But apart from that, I have to say that I'm rather disapointed that you'd just quote a book that provides no more evidence than just saying dragons are mythical creatures. Weren't you the one having that spat with pete daniels about not caring what the book says, but the proof behind what it says? (Might have been steam, but then, I'd still have to say the same thing to you). You havn't shown me anything but the same statement that "dragon's don't exist" that you've said all along, but with nothing more to back it up.

So, untill you actually come up with something that actually resembles fact instead of opinion, the only proof that I really feel the need to bring forth in evidence of the existance of dragons is this: I am a dragon. Unless you can come up with some evidence that dragons don't exist, there really isn't anything I need to bring forth to defend our existance..

Phoenix, lava dragon.

*Sigh*

You guys are arguing over whether or not dragons are real. That's kinda sad. I am human.

~Element Lead

.40 since 1985

Well, he seemed to think it was so incredibly important to say that I'm not a dragon, so.. *shrug*

Phoenix, lava dragon.

But you aren't.

*Looks confused and leaves thread*

~Element Lead

.40 since 1985

*sigh*

Phoenix, lava dragon.

Weren't you the one having that spat with pete daniels about not caring what the book says, but the proof behind what it says?

No, I was the one having the spat with Pete Daniels about believing what only ONE author has to say on the subject.

Every book that mentions dragons either SPECIFICALLY says that they're mythical, or the book is labeled as "fantasy"...

the only proof that I really feel the need to bring forth in evidence of the existance of dragons is this: I am a dragon.

No you're not. Dragons don't exist. If you're a dragon, then you don't exist. If you don't exist, then there's no way we could be having this conversation.

Unless you can come up with some evidence that dragons don't exist, there really isn't anything I need to bring forth to defend our existance..

How do you expect me to prove they don't exist? By showing pictures devoid of dragons? By asking someone who doesn't have a dragon as a pet? By talking to someone who has never slain a dragon?

It's easier for you to prove that they do exist than it is for me to prove that they don't. So, go ahead Phoenix...prove me wrong. You keep saying I'm wrong, but you have yet to prove it. Show me a photograph of a dragon. Show me some home videos of dragons. Come to my house and breath fire all around and burn down my town. Do SOMETHING! Back up your claims with something other than "well, I said so, so there!"

One thing's for sure though...I wish I had a copy of that picture of you that you posted a while back that plainly showed that you're not a dragon...

~Flesh

I wish I had a copy of that picture of you that you posted a while back that plainly showed that you're not a dragon...

You mean, shows that I'm not physically a dragon. So? I'm not. I've never said I'm physically a dragon. I know I don't have my wings or tail or scales or any of that other stuff right now. But I am still a dragon, inside. I can feel my wings and tail every now and then, just ghosts of their true self. I have seen other dragons on occasion, and I talk with others on a daily basis. There are lots of other dragons out there, too, each of whom would quite strongly disagree with you (And many would argue their points much better than me, as they've done so many times before).

And as for all stories with dragons in them being labled mythical or fantasy.. They're all written by humans. Western culture as a whole has a generally strong negative view of dragons. I certainly wouldn't take the view of a group of peope who have an already strong negative bias towards a topic as the final word on a matter.

How do you expect me to prove they don't exist? By showing pictures devoid of dragons? By asking someone who doesn't have a dragon as a pet? By talking to someone who has never slain a dragon?

Heh.. So your whole argument is based off a lack of proof, not an abundance of it. You simply are saying that, because you've never seen one, we don't exist? Lovely.. The idea that humans as a whole definitively know every single aspect of the universe around them is not only plainly false, but horribly conceited. (And no, I'm not claiming that dragons do, either..)

No you're not. Dragons don't exist. If you're a dragon, then you don't exist. If you don't exist, then there's no way we could be having this conversation.

Well then.. Since we are having this conversation, and I am a dragon, I guess that means dragons do exist...

Phoenix, lava dragon.

Oh...my...God...

Just when I thought you couldn't possibly get any more psychotic...you post that.

Dude...seek some professional help...fast. For the record, that's not meant to be an insult...I truly do hope you get some help, because dude, you're just not right in the head... =(

~Flesh

I'm scared.

~Element Lead

.40 since 1985

No shit. This isn't even funny any more...I have a feeling he's really serious... =(

~Flesh

Just think about Mek ... *eeks*

Chief Head of Internal Affairs - Plan B Division

No shit. This isn't even funny any more...

Well great.. I'm so glad to know that my beliefs have been such a source of humor for you in the past >:/

Phoenix, lava dragon.

Dude...seek some professional help...fast. For the record, that's not meant to be an insult...

Not meant to be an insult? How the hell could you possibly think it isn't? You might not intend it to be, but it sure the hell is. Have you even thought that through?

How do you think, say, a christian or jew would react when they tell you about their religious beliefs, and just because you don't believe in them, you tell them they should "seek professional help" and that they're "not right in the heat". They'd be pretty damn pissed at you for that, now wouldn't they? You should think before you start spouting off..

And why the hell do you think I need help, anyway? It certainly doesn't negatively affect me in any way. :/

Phoenix, lava dragon.

Woah...there's a big difference between believing in a deity and believing you're a dragon...you can't even compare the two.

~Flesh

there's a big difference between believing in a deity and believing you're a dragon...you can't even compare the two.

I'd ask "why not", but I'm sure I'd just get some bullshit answer in return which still results in the same problem. Who are you to judge someone else's beliefs? I think you assume to know too much about what you do not...

Phoenix, lava dragon.

uuuhhhhhhhhh.....

man, pho, I hope you are bullshitting about that shit just to piss flesh off...otherwise, really seek help...really, no shit...wow

Do you sit naked in the dark, rub peanut butter all over yourself and wear tinfoil hats?

Holy shit, I hope your parents realize what a freak you are ...

When the men in white coats come to visit, remember: They are your friends ...

Ho-ly Shit.

Holy shit, I hope your parents realize what a freak you are ...

Now that's just the nice old typical xenophobic reaction of modern culture. If it isn't "normal", it's bad. It's been used for bigotry and hatred of others for hundreds or thousands of years, and it's still got people pushing it today. If someone isn't "normal", he's a "freak", and needs to be "fixed" (Politically correct word for exterminated, converted, or exhiled).

And actually, my parents are quite fine with it (Especially my dad). Not everyone is as judgemental and xenophobic as the average person, you know.

Phoenix, lava dragon.

If it isn't "normal", it's bad.

It's not bad, its fucking scary as hell.

Exactly. I never said it was bad...

(I would say that Phoenix just put words into my mouth, but he would just deny it anyway...despite the fact that it's right there for everyone to see)

~Flesh

Exactly. I never said it was bad...

You seem to think I'm crazy. Am I supposed to assume you think that's a good thing?? It's pretty damn obvious you think it's a bad thing, and I'd love to see you try and explain how you don't think so after what you've been saying >:/

There's a big difference between putting words in your mouth and interpreting what you're saying :P

Phoenix, lava dragon.

Phoenix, I honestly do have to wonder why you're arguing this point here. Self-righteous people aren't usually the most open minded, as I think you know, and this is likely to evolve (or de-evolve) into 100 points of "I'm right because I say so".

I honestly wish some of you would grow up and drop these little schoolyard grudges, but I guess it's easier to insult someone else than to accept something that differs from your beliefs.

Phoenix, I honestly do have to wonder why you're arguing this point here.

Mainly because I just don't like people telling me what I am or am not..

But I think you're right. I really shouldn't bother. I'm never going to be able to persuade him of my own beliefs, and he's certainly not going to sway them any. *sigh*

Phoenix, lava dragon.

YOU ARE NOT A FUCKING DRAGON YOU DROOLING FOOL.

Sheesh. You are a human being. You fit all the criteria of being a Homo Sapiens. You are not a dragon. END OF FUCKING DISCUSSION.

BTW - Phoenix is a bird. But of course, you knew that.

God made Marijuana. Man made Beer. Whom do YOU trust?

Wow, stretching that vocabulary of vulgarity there?

Again, you're presuming to know more than you do. Here's a suggestion; If your debating skills are limited to responces like above, you might want to stay out of discusions dealing with spirituality or theology. Most people don't take it nicely when you just insult them for the hell of it, without anything to back you up. Especially theology.. Hmm, though it might be kinda funny to see what happens if you stand up in the middle of a church and yell out "You're all fucking morons for believing in this! there is no god! end of fucking discussion!".. Especially a southern baptist church. You'd probably get shot };>

And yes, I know that the phoenix is a bird. So? It's also my chosen dragon name (What I would consider my "true" name).

Phoenix, lava dragon.

Fine.

1) Your parents fully support you for one of two reasons.

a) They think it's cute and don't realize the extent of your illness

b) They don't care and appease you.

2) Please explain to me how this is a religion unless you pray or give homage to a higher being or beings. You seem to pick and choose your definitions at will

3) You do NOT have any idea as to the extent of my arguing skills. You have no facts. Your entire argument is based upon "a feeling". You cannot get any more intangible than that. You argue that we have no proof that Dragons do not exist. Well, if you weigh "a feeling" versus no "documented sightings, skeletal remains, etc" I'm going with the latter.

If you insist on continuing this farcical demonstration of either psychotic delusions or an incredibly warped sense of humor then I suggest you find like minded others to associate with online.

1) No, they're just not as close-minded as the average person (As I've said). In fact, my beliefs fall in close to many of their own.

2) I've never claimed it's a religion. I was simply comparing one example of strong beliefs with my own. They are not the same in the technical aspects, but they are certainly the same in the strength of their conviction and in the way that many others disbelieve it.

3) I've seen proof for myself, but that isn't the kind of proof that can be shared. But do remember this; Just because you havn't seen something to be true doesn't discount the possibility of its existance. Dinosaurs existed (Alive or as fossils) for millions of years before a human dug up a fossil and recognized it for what it was.. And many people (Particularly religious leaders, who the theory of a species going extinct without human interaction directly challenged the common belief of the time) denied the possibility of their existance, despite having such proof. It's still debated by some to this day. As I've said before, thinking that one knows everything about the universe around them, especially about subjects in which they have no proof, is not only obviously false, but horribly arrogant and conceited..

Phoenix, lava dragon.

And you make comments about MY ability to argue?

PROOF PROOF PROOF PROOF ...

There's proof about Dinosaurs

There's proof that Black Holes exist

There's proof that the Earth is NOT flat

There's proof that the Earth revolves AROUND the Sun and not vice versa.

WHERE'S THE PROOF? No more of this touchy-feely, Steel Magnolias, flim-flam crap. Show me bones, pictures, ANYTHING.

I've already said, I don't have any proof that I could share with anyone else. All my proof has been personal experience. I don't even know if there is physical proof anywhere on earth (I suspect that there probably is, but I don't know).

All I'm saying is that things can exist without you having specific proof that it does.. Or was the earth flat before they proved it was round? Did dinosaurs not exist up untill the very moment someone dug out a fossil and figured out what it was? New discoveries are being made every day about things that there was no proof of before, but which still certainly existed without it..

Phoenix, lava dragon.

You said "it might be kinda funny to see what happens if you stand up in the middle of a church and yell out "You're all fucking morons for believing in this! there is no god! end of fucking discussion!""

How is this different from you coming into this message board that is full of people that don't believe in Dragons and shouting "look everybody, I am a dragon."

Seems pretty similar to me.

Who insulted Phoenix? No one. Thank you, drive through.

~Flesh

Who insulted Phoenix? No one.

You. Or did you just conveniently miss that bit where I said how insulting what you said was? >:/

Phoenix, lava dragon.

I didn't say anything that was SUPPOSED to be offensive...I'm sorry...I thought you were this "almighty dragon"...did the poow widdle dwagon get his widdwe feewings huwt? Aww... =(

~Flesh

I thought you were this "almighty dragon"...did the poow widdle dwagon get his widdwe feewings huwt? Aww... =(

"almight dragon"?? I'd love to know where you got that from.

And second.. How the hell do you think I'd react to this? Do you seriously think nobody would be insulted by you ridiculing their beliefs like that? :/

Phoenix, lava dragon.

*Sigh*

Now we all know that religous beliefs, ecspecially extreme ones, are not tolerated by others. Thank you for enlightening us. Most of us don't TALK about our religions, or beliefs. I'm sure there are many people on this forum who're religion other than christian, or don't have a religion. But they're not trying to force it down our throats, AND/OR redicule somone else's beliefs.

~Element Lead

.40 since 1985

Um... Huh?

Phoenix, lava dragon.

I understood it just fine...maybe it's something only us humans would get... *snicker*

~Flesh

Haha, funny.. :P

Well, from what I can see, there are three things he could be saying, none of which particularly make sense:

1) Most people don't talk about their beliefs: I only did so after having someone directly challenge them, so I don't see what that could have to do with it.

2) Most people here don't try to "force it down our throats": I havn't even come close to doing that, quite the opposite, actually. I didn't start the topic, I just defended my views on the matter against people wo were trying to challenge my beliefs (Or force their beliefs down my throat)

3) Most people don't ridicule other people's beliefs: If that's directed to me, it's been directed to the wrong person here..

But since you seem to be so "wise and all-knowing", I'm sure you can "enlighten" me with what he really means.. :P

Phoenix, lava dragon.

I shouldn't have to...I'm the "inferior human" here, remember?

~Flesh

Inferior human? Well, I suppose this is another example of you putting words into other people's mouth. I've never said so, and I certainly don't think so. I'm very proud of my race as a whole, and I'm certainly glad to be a dragon instead of a human, but I don't think humans are "inferior" in any way...

So by all means, explain away :P

Phoenix, lava dragon.

Well, perhaps YOU didn't say it (I can't quite recall), but it was said by either you, Mekhazzio or Velos (I doubt it was Velos, but he's the only other "dragon" I know of)...

Trust me, it HAS been said... (I don't lie...remember?)

~Flesh

Heh.. None of us have ever said that humans are inferior. I know there have been a few references to certain people as "that human" or the like, but never the whole species.

Phoenix, lava dragon.

Where do dragons come from?

Snake

A land called honalee?

ROTFLMAOPIMPASTIC!!!!

Snake

A land called honalee?

*laughs*

hehe.. No, probably not.. };>

But to be honest, even I don't know, really. I doubt there are many dragons that would know, or at least, to a precision that some people here would be satisfied. Shouldn't be too surprising, though, humans still can't agree where they came from, so.. };>

Phoenix, lava dragon.

It's obvious that Dragons come from a disformed medulla oblongata or some sort of a psychosis ...

You know, if all you're going to do is claim that I'm wacked in the head, why do you even bother posting? :P

Phoenix, lava dragon.

Why do you even come here? Why don't you go hang out with Mekhazzio and "squirt" your "lava" at all the people who've done you wrong in your life?

I was having a normal conversation untill Flesh decided to challenge my beliefs. Why don't you go complain at him about it? I can defend my beliefs if I want.

Phoenix, lava dragon.

Hmm. Apparently you need a refresher course in vocabulary ...

Theology:

Main Entry: the·ol·o·gy Pronunciation: thE-'ä-l&-jE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -gies Etymology: Middle English theologie, from Latin theologia, from Greek, from the- + -logia -logy Date: 14th century 1 : the study of religious faith, practice, and experience; especially : the study of God and of God's relation to the world 2 a : a theological theory or system <Thomist theology> b : a distinctive body of theological opinion <Catholic theology> 3 : a usually 4-year course of specialized religious training in a Roman Catholic major seminary

Belief: Main Entry: be·lief Pronunciation: b&-'lEf Function: noun Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelEafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lEafa; akin to Old English lyfan Date: 12th century 1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing 2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group 3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence

Thanks, come again. Next?

Well that's nice, you can look in a dictionary.. Now what does that have to do with what I was saying? I never said that theology had anything to do with what I was talking about; I was giving it purely as an example of another, similar subject that you should avoid if your debating skills are truely limited to what you've displayed so far..

Phoenix, lava dragon.

Really?

Hmm ... I at least have something realistic to back me up.

Fact: There are no skeletons of dragons known to exist today.

That's enough to disprove you ...

As far as Theology goes (because you choose to ignore your own posts)

Exhibit A: First Religion reference

Exhibit B: Second Religion reference

Exhibit C: Third Religion reference

I guess Dragons don't have the memory of Elephants despite the similar size huh?

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